Cstar Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 This story is just horrible, poor little boy. I can't believe they aren't putting this dog down, apparently it's attacked twice before! Warning, the article has graphic content https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-19/dog-attack-dog-mauling-leaves-child-with-severe-injuries/104369784 1 2 6 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorineTheCatLover Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 Because it's not the dogs fault. It's the humans who were supposed to be supervising and allowed it to happen. Lack of supervision and lack of training are the two biggest issues when it comes to dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kiwi Bicycle Posted September 19 Popular Post Share Posted September 19 Sorry I don't agree. The dog and the owner had a chance to sort the situation out the forst time it attacked someone. Nothing obviously was done. The dog needs to be removed and if cannot be rehabilitated by SPCA or whatever, put to sleep. 8 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cstar Posted September 19 Author Share Posted September 19 I agree, It's the owners fault, especially if it's attacked before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlee99 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 I struggle with this one, I know lack of supervision obviously added to this situation, but I wouldn't be able to keep a dog that had attacked multiple times. If I wasn't capable of keeping it myself in the proper manner, then I hope I could work with authorities to rehome it to a suitable place. Though honestly, I would also consider putting it too sleep. Our neighbours, years ago, had a declared dangerous dog and he did not have a wonderful life, I eventually felt very sorry for it contained to a small enclosure with no shade. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cstar Posted September 19 Author Share Posted September 19 1 minute ago, Karlee99 said: I struggle with this one, I know lack of supervision obviously added to this situation, but I wouldn't be able to keep a dog that had attacked multiple times. If I wasn't capable of keeping it myself in the proper manner, then I hope I could work with authorities to rehome it to a suitable place. Though honestly, I would also consider putting it too sleep. Our neighbours, years ago, had a declared dangerous dog and he did not have a wonderful life, I eventually felt very sorry for it contained to a small enclosure with no shade. Friends of ours had to make the hard decision with one of their dogs, it attacked another dog (not a child) and they just couldn't bare the thought of it attacking again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemonMyrtle Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 Is the sticking point the fact that the dog was in their own home? if this had happened in a public place, would the dog have been put down? Some of these dangerous dog laws have different rules for on or off your property, I think. i think the dog should be put down, you obviously can’t trust these owners to not let this happen again. And big fines for the owners too. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogaalaates Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 I’ve never heard of a bull Arab, but read they are 50% bull terrier, selected for their tenacity and bite strength. Bite strength??? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 41 minutes ago, LemonMyrtle said: Is the sticking point the fact that the dog was in their own home? if this had happened in a public place, would the dog have been put down? Some of these dangerous dog laws have different rules for on or off your property, I think. i think the dog should be put down, you obviously can’t trust these owners to not let this happen again. And big fines for the owners too. And the 4 yr old was there on a play date so I’m assuming there’s another child that resides in the house of similar age. I really can’t compute why the dog hasn’t been PTS 7 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, Yogaalaates said: I’ve never heard of a bull Arab, but read they are 50% bull terrier, selected for their tenacity and bite strength. Bite strength??? Bull Arabs are a hunting breed, frequentlyused for pig hunting. Bite strength required for grabbing pigs. Not a true pure bred, more a type, they are large short haired types. Commonly seen in rural pounds. Edited September 19 by Moomintroll 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddlepop Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 The dog hasn’t been returned to the owners yet. They have to meet the dangerous dog requirements for enclosures and signage. They might choose to not spend the money on that and instead euthanise the dog. It would be far cheaper to do that. Bull arabs are definitely a pigging or hunting breed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolate Addict Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 The owners shouldn't be allowed to have the dog back. If this is the third time it attacked then they obviously haven't done any training or taken any steps to help teach the dog not to attack. rehome the dog to someone that will take the time to teach the dog, if it can't be taught then put it down. I am not a dog person but the dog has obviously not had proper training. I hope the little boy recovers. 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogaalaates Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 1 hour ago, Moomintroll said: Bull Arabs are a hunting breed, frequentlyused for pig hunting. Bite strength required for grabbing pigs. Not a true pure bred, more a type, they are large short haired types. Commonly seen in rural pounds. Yeah, which makes me wonder is it really a good choice for a family with young kids? And if they’re commonly seen in pounds, that seems like there are issues with the breed? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddleduck Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 (edited) I love dogs but this is one breed I would never own and never trust around children. They are bred to be able to take down feral pigs, so have big powerful jaws and are willing to take on anything. They need to have an aggressive mindset as the size of the pigs they take on can be massive and they need to not back down when the pig turns around and charges at them. Sadly my local pound is full of this type of dog and I honestly think they should never be adopted out to people who have no idea of the potential these dogs have to just suddenly attack. Sadly according to the article this is the first reported attack by this dog, so the councils hands are sort of tied. If the other attacks had been reported it would have been under the dangerous dog requirements already. I hope the family chooses to have the dog put down especially if they also have young children. Sadly it sounds like the poor little boy that was attacked now has a long road to recovery with further surgeries needed and is also dealing with massive trauma associated with dogs. Edited September 19 by Puddleduck Extra info 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadoodle Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 27 minutes ago, Yogaalaates said: Yeah, which makes me wonder is it really a good choice for a family with young kids? And if they’re commonly seen in pounds, that seems like there are issues with the breed? It’s an issue with a percentage of the people who choose the breed, IME. In previous years it would have been an English bull terrier, American bull terrier, American bulldog, Rottweiler, German Shepherd… “Tough” dogs owned by morons who bought them to look hard. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogaalaates Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 6 minutes ago, Kadoodle said: It’s an issue with a percentage of the people who choose the breed, IME. In previous years it would have been an English bull terrier, American bull terrier, American bulldog, Rottweiler, German Shepherd… “Tough” dogs owned by morons who bought them to look hard. I know all dogs can bite, but I wouldn’t trust a dog bred to hunt pigs and with ‘bite strength’ around kids. It just doesn’t seem an appropriate choice. 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellie Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 I have a job now where I do a lot of home visits. I went to a house recently where they had two bull type breeds (not sure which ones). It was the closest I had actually been to dogs like that and I was amazed, and not in a good way. They were sheer muscle and strength, clearly capable of killing a fully grown adult if they ‘snapped’. I really do not understand the decision to own those dogs, particularly if there are children in the equation. All dogs are capable of snapping, and perhaps they aren’t more prone to aggression than any other dog…… but when they do snap, the consequences are severe. I just don’t think potentially deadly weapons and kids/suburban life mix well 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 9 minutes ago, ellie said: I have a job now where I do a lot of home visits. I went to a house recently where they had two bull type breeds (not sure which ones). It was the closest I had actually been to dogs like that and I was amazed, and not in a good way. They were sheer muscle and strength, clearly capable of killing a fully grown adult if they ‘snapped’. I really do not understand the decision to own those dogs, particularly if there are children in the equation. All dogs are capable of snapping, and perhaps they aren’t more prone to aggression than any other dog…… but when they do snap, the consequences are severe. I just don’t think potentially deadly weapons and kids/suburban life mix well Which is one reason I don't always feel great about the constant exhortations for people to "adopt not shop" if they want a dog. People are told it's the ethical thing to adopt from a pound or rescue but often the only options for them are big staffy or bullie types who never got any socialisation or training. Smaller or easier dogs get snapped up too fast. 7 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly_F Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 4 hours ago, Yogaalaates said: I’ve never heard of a bull Arab, but read they are 50% bull terrier, selected for their tenacity and bite strength. Bite strength??? They are used for pigging.. they are bred to be fierce attack dogs. They are dangerous when they are not trained appropriately! They are often bred with Great Danes for size or Irish wolfhounds. The owners (especially those who pig hunt) are generally wankers!! These dogs are bred to be expendable. Pigs rip dogs apart when they try to take them down, it’s horrific! 2 1 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seemingly Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 Always on high alert when the conditions are changed for my own dogs and how they will react with my own children, let alone how they will react with strangers. We keep our dogs locked up inside the house when people come to work on our property etc. Our dogs are protective cattle dogs. They nip heels - the eldest nudges you forcibly with her nose all the time. Some people don't like dogs and make a big deal when our dogs are just trying to greet them - it's okay, I get it, not everyone likes dogs. But I love dogs. And even though I do, whenever I see dogs when out and about, I always keep my own children close. I am not scared of dogs. I do not think other dog owners poorly train their pets; hell, I don't think my own dogs are as well trained as they should be (come when called, sit when told etc). I just think that animals are animals and the consequences when things go wrong are not bearable. So even though I love my dogs to the point where I would skip meals so they could eat (haven't had to, just thinking of ways to come across as to how much I love them), if one of them mauled (not bit, mauled) a boy the same age or younger than my own children, I would have to put them to sleep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemonMyrtle Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 I’m reading some stats and the amount of dog attacks/bites per year is astounding. a quick google brings up 1200 children present to hospital a year in Queensland alone. They’re just hospital presentations, not all are admitted. I’d double that for a low estimate of reality since a lot of people wouldn’t go to hospital for a minor bite. https://kidsafeqld.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/dogattacks.pdf 4000 people are hospitalised in Australia every year from dog attacks. actually hospitalised. You have to be seriously injured to be hospitalised. honestly, we ban things that have had lower injury rates. And yet, dogs just get a free ride to continue to injure people, mainly kids too. 1 4 3 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddlepop Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 5 minutes ago, LemonMyrtle said: And yet, dogs just get a free ride to continue to injure people, mainly kids too. Dogs need to be owned by responsible people who train them in how to behave appropriately. The owners then need to actually actively control their dogs when strangers might come into contact with them. Children need to be taught by their parents how to interact with a dog. Dogs are great and have way more positives than negatives. The key is responsible owners. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogaalaates Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 3 minutes ago, Paddlepop said: Dogs need to be owned by responsible people who train them in how to behave appropriately. The owners then need to actually actively control their dogs when strangers might come into contact with them. Children need to be taught by their parents how to interact with a dog. Dogs are great and have way more positives than negatives. The key is responsible owners. So instead of jerks thinking they have the right to own a dog, and doing F all to train it or be a responsible owner, we need to change attitudes to dog ownership. It should be a privilege that you must earn rather than a right. 5 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillFreddiesMum Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 Disagree with Paddlepop above. Some specific dog breeds are bred to be hunting dogs / attack dogs. They should never be around children. We looked at adopting a dog when we got our dog - the dogs that were available for adoption were mostly staffies and cross breeds / lots of big dogs that need lots of walks, exercise and attention plus proper training. People say that staffies are gentle but we were first time dog owners and I didn't want a dog that I had no idea how to handle. We ended up getting a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel - as first time dog owners - he has been wonderful. I would never get a dog that I couldn't handle but lots of stupid people do. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddlepop Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 1 minute ago, Yogaalaates said: So instead of jerks thinking they have the right to own a dog, and doing F all to train it or be a responsible owner, we need to change attitudes to dog ownership. It should be a privilege that you must earn rather than a right. Absolutely. Expand it to parenting too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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