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Oooh, I have been in that one, when I visited my friend living in Bulimba.  Lovely place.

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Well I got an email because they think I am probably a creditor. So I might get my $80ish back if I can work out how to fill in the forms … we’ll see - I had written it off so I’m not hoping too hard, but I won’t say no!

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Susan StoHelit

I just filled in the form- pretty easy to do!

(im just lucky a friend actually gave me a gift of the book I had on order- I’d be mighty annoyed if I didn’t get the book and was still out of pocket)

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CrankyM

We used booktopia because they were faster then a lot of other online places... and had a good range and Australian items as well. I do have a local bookstore but it's tiny and most of it is specialist materials or touristy stuff. I don't have the space for physical books though. Most physical books are ones I've bought randomly or ones I reread (not usual for me), or some kids' books. The more popular titles can be found at the newsagent here, they sell books as well as the usual nicknacks and magazine etc. Our local Kmart only carried picture books for kids. No older fiction stuff. Not sure why, but that's how it has been since it opened.

I will say we have two little independent Australian publishers where I live. They have some great books. One is Magabala books which focuses on Indigenous Authors but has so many wonderful children's book and others as well and the other is called Backroom Press

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Lunagirl

I'm also an unsecured creditor. I can find the document telling you how to fill out the form, the form to attend the creditor meeting, but not the actual Proof of Debt form. Can anyone help please? 

I'm assuming I won't get my money back because they will (rightfully) be paying back employees and secured creditors first with any proceeds from a sale - but for the sake of a few minutes filling out a form, I figure I may as well.

I've also lodged a dispute with my bank over the credit card charge on the basis of not receiving the goods.

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Yogaalaates

Changed my fucking mind

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Lesley225

How is QBD a speciality bookseller? 

I'm only buying rather esoteric hardcovers occasionally now which aren't even available in Australia so I still buy from Amazon or people who sell on Amazon. 

 

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Yogaalaates
21 minutes ago, Lesley225 said:

How is QBD a speciality bookseller? 

I'm only buying rather esoteric hardcovers occasionally now which aren't even available in Australia so I still buy from Amazon or people who sell on Amazon. 

 

Because you can order some obscure titles through them. I have.

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Crombek

Hmm I always thought the Nile was a bit like mighty ape. Good luck if you actually need the book, you may get it in 6 months, maybe not at all?

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Kiwi Bicycle

Speciality retailer means focussed on a certain range of books.

For example, The Women's Bookshop in Auckland stocks female authors, books about feminism and so on.

Having a special order department ( and Dymocks had/ has that) doesn't make you a speciality bookseller.

The author of that article is very confused.

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Yogaalaates
42 minutes ago, Kiwi Bicycle said:

Speciality retailer means focussed on a certain range of books.

For example, The Women's Bookshop in Auckland stocks female authors, books about feminism and so on.

Having a special order department ( and Dymocks had/ has that) doesn't make you a speciality bookseller.

The author of that article is very confused.

Why don’t you list them all for us since you have so much special knowledge 

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Kiwi Bicycle
6 minutes ago, Yogaalaates said:

Why don’t you list them all for us since you have so much special knowledge 

Huh, sorry but my knowledge of stores is very NZ based. However I did deal with Australian publishers. Yeah, I worked in the industry for over 5 years in NZ and so I do have some insight in this but you don't have to be rude about it. 

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Yogaalaates
2 minutes ago, Kiwi Bicycle said:

Huh, sorry but my knowledge of stores is very NZ based. However I did deal with Australian publishers. Yeah, I worked in the industry for over 5 years in NZ and so I do have some insight in this but you don't have to be rude about it. 

Yes, exactly. 

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Kiwi Bicycle
2 minutes ago, Yogaalaates said:

Yes, exactly. 

Honestly had a grumpy pill today?

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Yogaalaates
1 minute ago, Kiwi Bicycle said:

Honestly had a grumpy pill today?

Is this helpful?

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15 hours ago, Lunagirl said:

I'm also an unsecured creditor. I can find the document telling you how to fill out the form, the form to attend the creditor meeting, but not the actual Proof of Debt form. Can anyone help please? 

I'm assuming I won't get my money back because they will (rightfully) be paying back employees and secured creditors first with any proceeds from a sale - but for the sake of a few minutes filling out a form, I figure I may as well.

I've also lodged a dispute with my bank over the credit card charge on the basis of not receiving the goods.

I found it eventually. It’s not in the resources which is where I kept looking because of the way the mail was worded. There’s a link in the PDF circular to customers. 

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I want to read the article now to see if they mean specialist in terms that the industry means or specialist in that they are primarily a bookseller, not a stationery shop or general shop that sells books. 

I like QBD. The range here in Brisbane is comparable to what was in Dymocks before it disappeared. Particularly in the common kids books. They used to do special orders - when DS was younger I could send my parents a list of not available at most bookshops books that DS wanted and their local QBD happily got them in. My Dymocks treated it like a real bother to do it. 

Specialist books eg Sci fi I'd order online. Short of flying to Sydney and going to Galaxy. None of the indie bookshops I go to (including swanky throw us all your dosh gourmet books Riverbend) ever seem to have the books I want. Like the biography of Terry Pratchett. Not high brow enough. Last one I asked in didn't even know who Terry Pratchett was and looked down their nose at the mention of fantasy.

Adding in editing as I did take a grumpy pill today. I'm sick of having bookshop staff look down at fantasy. Shakespeare wrote fantasy. Midsummer Night's Dream. Twelfth Night. Look down your nose at Terry Pratchett and Douglas Adams and watch my wallet walk right out of your store.

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I don’t know about fancy or highbrow or whether QBD is good enough or if I need to find an indie bookstore. I order books where I can get them. And QBD at my local Westfield just had the box set I ordered from Booktopia but will never get, on the shelf this week (they didn’t last week) for about the same price so I bought it so I can read my books. I’ll probably place an Amazon order for the others and if I can figure out how, do the credit card thing a PP mentioned - I didn’t even think of that as an option but who knows 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Fruitmincepies

There is a wonderful independent bookshop in my suburb, such a happy place. I buy books from there fairly regularly, and they will get obscure books in for me. There are excellent independent bookshops in nearby suburbs too, including a children’s bookshop.

However one bookshop I went into yesterday and they had very little stock. It was very weird! Usually they would have stacks of the popular titles on tables, but they only had one of each title. The kids section was very slim pickings with empty shelves. I can only think they are closing down? It would be a shame. 

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Lesley225
4 hours ago, Kiwi Bicycle said:

Speciality retailer means focussed on a certain range of books.

For example, The Women's Bookshop in Auckland stocks female authors, books about feminism and so on.

Well that's how I would have defined the term but I don't see QBD as anything other than a general bookshop, in fact the ones I've been to have only been very general and of limited stock.

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Susan StoHelit

I have no local bookshop 😭. Whenever I visit another town, a bookshop browse is always on the list. 
 

like pp I read a lot of fantasy / sci fi and find QBD to be very limited. They just seem to stock a few “big names” and that’s it.  Dymocks is a little better, usually at least have some more new releases.

My favourite random bookshop is Harry Hartog at the sunshine plaza. They seem to have both “high brow” and what seems a carefully curated fantasy section.

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nightmarish
On 10/07/2024 at 2:47 PM, Exp said:

Well I got an email because they think I am probably a creditor. So I might get my $80ish back if I can work out how to fill in the forms … we’ll see - I had written it off so I’m not hoping too hard, but I won’t say no!

Your odds of getting money back through the liquidations is almost zero, if you paid via credit card or paypal do a dispute with them instead.

10 hours ago, Crombek said:

Hmm I always thought the Nile was a bit like mighty ape. Good luck if you actually need the book, you may get it in 6 months, maybe not at all?

That has been my experience as well, and my Mum had one order that took almost a year to arrive, and then she received a duplicate a couple of months later, it was a nice book set so my brother got an extra gift 😄. There was no way she was dealing with their customer service about their error. 

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5 minutes ago, nightmarish said:

Your odds of getting money back through the liquidations is almost zero, if you paid via credit card or paypal do a dispute with them instead.

I did use a credit card but no idea how to raise a dispute there. Guess it’s time to figure that out!

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